#HatTip to #GeoffGreer for that update, which was added to the bottom of his excellent summary of what happened to Stallman and why it's so disturbing to anyone who cares about natural justice and due process:
@strypey Yes, RMS has made an outstanding positive contribution to the world. He has also made a series of negative ones.
That article is selective in how it reports "the incident", including reductively defining the whole thing as "an incident" in the first place. Other people are characterising it as the final straw, where no-one expects that "the straw" in and of itself was significant, but that the accumulation of straws over time has become intolerable.
There don't seem to be many people who are discussing the whole issue without bias, which is to me a much more disturbing trend. Once again we have only "two sides" to a situation, with all the implied hostility that brings. There are many many more than two sides to anything.
However both he and the WaPo failed to mention the long-term dissatisfaction with RMS's non-Free behaviour. I don't think the Gnome Foundation's ED asked FSF to drop him because of this incident alone (or more specifically, not because of the inaccurate press surrounding the incident).
I agree with @strypey on what I think his position is (assuming it's "this incident is not serious enough for the outcome"), but I suspect that the outcome is probably justified when looking back at the long list of "offences".
Partly I guess the dropping by MIT was more related to them having put themselves in an untenable position over the years. But the FSF presidency seems like a reasonable change.
> I suspect that the outcome is probably justified when looking back at the long list of "offences".
This seems relevant:
"There is an underlying current of fear in my activist communities, and it is separate from the daily fear of police brutality, eviction, discrimination, and street harassment. It is the fear of appearing impure. Social death follows when being labeled a “bad” activist or simply “problematic” enough times."
@yojimbo and fron the same piece:
"And yet, grace and forgiveness are hard to come by in these circles. At times, I have found myself performing activism more than doing activism. I’m exhausted, and I’m not even doing the real work I am committed to do. It is a terrible thing to be afraid of my own community members, and know they’re probably just as afraid of me. Ultimately, the quest for political purity is a treacherous distraction for well-intentioned activists."
@yojimbo also this:
"But when dictates aren’t followed, a common procedure of punishment ensues. Punishments for saying/doing/believing the wrong thing include shaming, scolding, calling out, isolating, or eviscerating someone’s social standing. Discipline and punishment has been used for all of history to control and destroy people. Why is it being used in movements meant to liberate all of us?"
It's an insightful piece, and worth reading in full.
I do not think this is about tactics, but about lousy community management. FsF should have applied basic democratic organisation since a long time, they did not despite feminist around asking them to do so . Its very sad that the passation of power did not happen in better conditions and before, but I guess the white males who had the power to make this happen did not do their job at the right time. Rms being called a sexist is nothing new, rms supporting minor's rape is nothing new.
@natacha @strypey Idk, it looks like his intentions were to protect Minsky's image.
I guess he succeeded at that since now people hate him instead.
AFAIK he has changed his view about pedophilia, so that was likely not his motivation.
The problem is that this was probably not the right time to say what he said, and if he couldn't see that, than he shouldn't be the head of important movements.
As a rule of thumb, every organisation (would it be social or corporate) should renew their leadership positions, we cannot do anything about corporate dynasties, but at least we can set a model of democratic debate in our organisations . It is very urgent that FsF puts in place the means for an open debate about leadership.
@epicmorphism @strypey @natacha
Hmm. Well, if he hurts people accidentally, that's bad. There is more than one way to lead.
If he continues to lead, the organization structure should be changed so that if he messes up something (and he's only human, so he probably will)... well basically he could use some PR help.
And the office of BDFL is... not necessarily one that should remain a thing forever.
@natacha BDFL is meant to be an ironic usage. Because of the freedom to fork, leaders of free code projects can't really be dictators at all, let alone for life. A BDFL is just someone who holds a leadership position because most of the developers think they do a good job, rather than through a formal election or selection process.
> FsF should have applied basic democratic organisation since a long time
I assumed that the FSF held elections where its members elect its governing officers. Is this not the case? If not, then I agree with you that they ought to. But this is unrelated to the witch hunt against Stallman.
Yes, fsf complies to legal requirements, but, here is info about members benefits: https://www.fsf.org/associate/benefits
Its rather funny, but pretty useless.
Associate FsF members do not have any voting right, no consulting right and there is no governance process explained anywhere. If there had been, maybe things would have been different and Stallman might not have stayed that long in place, and ... as a logical consequence, he would not have been into the midsts of public attack.
BTW witch hunt was held against women in the 15th century not sure it has anything to do with Stallman.
When they'll have pushed out RMS, their will be no one to fight for freedom and linux will be another microsoft buried under patents and spywares.
you'd better learn to compile kernel by yourself and read patch.
But the ones moaning about democracy are probability the same using windows on an daily basis (gnagna i must for office, TINA).
Funny that no one ask for democracy in the kernel management. funny democracy is only reserved to push push out those fighting.
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